LAC STE. ANNE COUNTY FINALLY RELEASES
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ENGINEERING REPORTS
LSARA has finally received three engineering reports on the Administration Building ongoing "Heaving Slab" issue. We now have three Engineering Reports and they are available to you at the end of this post. Unfortunately LSAC has neglected to provide us with 8 additional Reports that were provided by LSAC to Thurber Engineering for their assessments of the "Heaving Slab" Issue. These reports were reviewed and noted by Thurber Engineering in Section 2 of their report dated August 28, 2017.LSARA will be reviewing these reports to try to determine what LSAC should already know but refuse to disclose to the Ratepayers, "WHAT WENT WRONG and WHO IS RESPONSIBLE"?
LSAC now wants to take the reins and use our credit and our tax dollars to fund an Arms Length Land Development Corporation to continue on with their efforts to sink us further into "DEBT"! There are other options for our Onoway Regional Medical Clinic. Is it not operating just fine without our County creating another nightmare and taking on all the risk? We don't need to take on another white elephant!
Is a LSAC Municipal Controlled Land Development Corporation a risk that we are willing to take with our families future?
The following LSARA Blog Posts, that we have provided during the past years to our Ratepayers Association, will bring you up to date on what we have done to inform you of the serious issues we the ratepayers are facing with Lac Ste. Anne County's Development and Construction of our
"New Multi Million Dollar Nightmare".
"New Multi Million Dollar Nightmare".
Please feel free to review these posts and provide your comments, if you think LSAC should take all the "Risks" and be in the Land Development Business funded by our County Tax Dollars while competing against you and the private sector.
On April 27th 2017, LSARA sent an email to Council and Administration. We asked the following questions as we were unable to find them on the Lac Ste Anne County Website.
2. No response
3. "We will post to our website the project manager Reports under the new office information. We are awaiting a report from our consultants with respect to the new office after their meeting in May. We will post to the website once received."
4. No response
5. No response
April 27th LSARA responded once again requesting responses to questions 2 & 4. We also stated " In regards to item #5 "Heaving issue" we believe that an " issue Report" with "Recommendations" from the Project Manager should have already been provided to Administration on this matter. We would also appreciate a copy of this report as we believe this is a serious issue not to be taken lightly, and we as Ratepayers need to be kept aware of as it is a time sensitive matter."
The response we received came May 2nd, once again from the County Manager. His response was as follows:
"All New Administration Office information is being reviewed to release to our website. We will update once a further review has been completed by our consultants. Access to any information that is not publicly released will be subject to FOIP legislation."
We did a FOIP request including this information, LSAC wanted $13000.00 to release it to us!
CLICK TO VIEW THE COMPLETE POST
Then the bomb….. the Floor is Heaving!!!! County Manager Mike Primeau and General Manager of Infrastructure & Planning Joe Duplessie both had the opportunity to see the damage first hand and commented "It was Shocking".
Why did the Council not request that a communication be sent to the Contractor to provide an "Engineering Report to address the damage and cause of the Heaving". Repairing the damage and who's cost is it, is not the problem, was the concern brought up by Councillor Borle. A serious issue such as this in a "Brand New Building", will be an ongoing issue if not addressed properly.
First issue was the borrow pit. Did they achieve proper compaction on the new material they brought in at an additional cost that was not forecast. The General Manager of Infrastructure & Planning and the County Manager have been actively involved in this and apparently, there are additional issues.
The question is why are our Staff actively involved in the issues when in fact as part of the budget there was a Firm hired to take care of the build (MHPM the Project Managers)?
It is their assumption that weeping tile would minimize the issue. Stated by the County Manager at the meeting that “the building is 100% theirs until handed over at final completion". So, was there compaction tests completed prior to putting the building on top of new soil as the borrow pit was the first issue that was overlooked due to rushing to get the building up? Does it have anything to do with the work being done in the winter and frost? There was also a statement made that due to the amount of rebar, do not know if it will allow the floors to come back down.
WHY WOULD THERE EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION TO ACCEPT THIS BUILDING WITH THAT KIND OF ISSUE????
On April 27th 2017, LSARA sent an email to Council and Administration. We asked the following questions as we were unable to find them on the Lac Ste Anne County Website.
1. Bylaw 15-2017 Property Tax Rate
2. Agreement between LSAC and the Project Manager for the Administration Building.
3. All Project Manager Reports as per the agreement to Date.
4. All Geotechnical Engineer Reports including the report on testing of the soil as well as the Excavation and Compaction Reports as overseen/tested by the Geotechnical Engineer.
5. The reports related directly to the heaving concrete issue.
3. All Project Manager Reports as per the agreement to Date.
4. All Geotechnical Engineer Reports including the report on testing of the soil as well as the Excavation and Compaction Reports as overseen/tested by the Geotechnical Engineer.
5. The reports related directly to the heaving concrete issue.
The response to these questions were received by LSARA from our County Manager.
2. No response
3. "We will post to our website the project manager Reports under the new office information. We are awaiting a report from our consultants with respect to the new office after their meeting in May. We will post to the website once received."
4. No response
5. No response
April 27th LSARA responded once again requesting responses to questions 2 & 4. We also stated " In regards to item #5 "Heaving issue" we believe that an " issue Report" with "Recommendations" from the Project Manager should have already been provided to Administration on this matter. We would also appreciate a copy of this report as we believe this is a serious issue not to be taken lightly, and we as Ratepayers need to be kept aware of as it is a time sensitive matter."
The response we received came May 2nd, once again from the County Manager. His response was as follows:
"All New Administration Office information is being reviewed to release to our website. We will update once a further review has been completed by our consultants. Access to any information that is not publicly released will be subject to FOIP legislation."
We did a FOIP request including this information, LSAC wanted $13000.00 to release it to us!
CLICK TO VIEW THE COMPLETE POST
LSAC Council Meeting April 13 2017
Then the bomb….. the Floor is Heaving!!!! County Manager Mike Primeau and General Manager of Infrastructure & Planning Joe Duplessie both had the opportunity to see the damage first hand and commented "It was Shocking".
First issue was the borrow pit. Did they achieve proper compaction on the new material they brought in at an additional cost that was not forecast. The General Manager of Infrastructure & Planning and the County Manager have been actively involved in this and apparently, there are additional issues.
The question is why are our Staff actively involved in the issues when in fact as part of the budget there was a Firm hired to take care of the build (MHPM the Project Managers)?
It is their assumption that weeping tile would minimize the issue. Stated by the County Manager at the meeting that “the building is 100% theirs until handed over at final completion". So, was there compaction tests completed prior to putting the building on top of new soil as the borrow pit was the first issue that was overlooked due to rushing to get the building up? Does it have anything to do with the work being done in the winter and frost? There was also a statement made that due to the amount of rebar, do not know if it will allow the floors to come back down.
WHY WOULD THERE EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION TO ACCEPT THIS BUILDING WITH THAT KIND OF ISSUE????
Lac Ste. Anne County has no idea what the real cause of the Floor Heaving is and wants to settle the issue with a Quick Claim Cover Up!!!!
“The building is wonderful, it's a beautiful build. Yes, this is an issue we had to deal with and we dealt with it,” Primeau said. “The alternative was it sits empty for five years as we battle in court over $16,000.”
- What will $16000.00 Fix and who came up with that Figure???
- What is the Real Problem and How is it to be Fixed????
- How will this building be Insured????
- Who is making these decisions and are they to be held liable!!!!
Who did we vote for and what did the rest of our Councillors say????
LSARA Warned the Ratepayers and Now it is Critical that an Independent Inspection and Review is Properly Conducted!!!!
Here we are folks, a year later and we have Engineers still trying to figure out, "How are we going to fix this disaster"?
These are the 3 out of 8 Reports that they have released to date. The deficiencies still are not completed and more reports are underway! We know there is more to this issue than meets the eye and we are going to find out!
Machibroda Engineering Report
Thurber Engineering LSAC Slab Heaving Concerns August 28, 2017
Thurber Engineering LSAC Slab Heaving Concerns October 18, 2017
Thurber Engineering LSAC Slab Heaving Concerns August 28, 2017
Thurber Engineering LSAC Slab Heaving Concerns October 18, 2017
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